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Usually I ignore crazy people. But when someone uses a tragedy like Virginia Tech to stand on their soapbox and start accusing video games of being the cause of violence in this country, it makes me sick. In the past, he claimed that a shooter in a previous instance trained on Grand Theft Auto before committing a school massacre. Does this man ever even look at video games? When he went on his tirade about the game Bully on G4, he admitted to never having even SEEN the game! Is there any rational thought to these blanket statements that he makes, every single time a something like this happens? I’m sorry, I must have missed the “school shooting simulation,” first-person perspective level in GTA3.
You know what? My last sentence was even too vague. I don’t care if there was an Army-approved, super-realistic shooting simulation available. Unless someone is PREDISPOSED to violence of this level, absolutely no amount of video game playing is going to make them kill someone. None. I don’t care how many scientific studies this man thinks there are to back his claims. A normal human being will not turn into a maladjusted killer because they played too much Counterstrike. He also says that the “common denominator” in these school shootings is that the killers “trained” on “mass-murder games.” Oh, teenagers were playing video games? That is shocking, absolutely shocking.
And as a matter of fact, there is no record that Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech even played video games. I’m in no way making light of these recent events at all, I’m just so thoroughly disgusted that this man continues to be invited by the media to spout his ignorant, misleading, and incorrect statements to the world. Mr. Thompson, please take some time to re-evaluate what it is you’re doing, and come up with a better, more productive way to help the American family.
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Who the heck crowned him the “School Shooting Expert”? Has he done it before?
While I disagree with Jack Thompson, I somewhat disagree with your stance, though I might be misinterpreting you.
“Unless someone is PREDISPOSED to violence, absolutely no amount of video game playing is going to make them kill someone. None.”
This is a fairly fatuous statement. What does “predisposed” mean? Everyone is predisposed to violence to some degree, even if it’s just stamping their feet when they’re upset. No, most people aren’t going to kill. But if you don’t think violent games can nudge people toward doing violent things, then you are sorely mistaken.
But for now let us agree with you and say that someone not predisposed to violence wouldn’t kill someone. How about people who are predisposed to violence? Do the violent video games affect them? Maybe the video game is what drove them over, brought them just over the edge, to a fantasy world where shooting is more commonplace. Yes, blame the person. But maybe without the game, one life could’ve been saved. It might be, statistically, a very miniscule amount of “predisposed” people we’re talking about, but for them, the videogame could’ve made the difference. So it really just becomes a question of the enjoyment of billions vs. saving the lives of a few in these small isolated incident.
Secondly: There is evidence that he played video games. In an article in the NY Times on Sunday, in a portrait of Mr. Cho, they described how his parents hoped his going to college would open him up and cause him a change from his ways of video game playing at home in high school.
Though it is not quite the same, to say that video games did not cause any effect at all is similar to that bs about how “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Well take away the guns and people can’t kill people either. (as easily or in mass numbers.)
@andy – I changed the sentence to read “… to violence of this level.” But even if there are conflicting reports of his video game tendencies (from high school, as your quote suggests), do we know what games he was playing? It could have been The Sims for all we know.
I don’t mean to say that I am against video games, Bully or GTA or The Sims or otherwise. I am not a voracious player but I enjoy them on occasion. I just mean that media (and I mean all forms of media) certainly has an effect on people. I don’t think that is questionable. The question is where a line should be drawn, what sort of ethical choices we make, how can we minimize unfortunate incidents without taking away too much from everyone else. You can’t just disregard incidents because it was by someone mentally unstable. They are members of society too, and we should be protecting them and us (us being you and me and everyone who reads this. we’re normal. really.)
What are laws other than a set of compromises that keep as many people in a society happy and functioning as possible?
Every time there is a violent massacre, everyone is quick to blame video games. It’s all just an excuse for people to bust out into the political realm and make a name for themselves.
Everyone needs to remember violence stems long before electricity was even thought of, much less video games. If video games were the cause of the human urge to kill, people such as Hitler and Charles Manson must’ve hopped into a time machine, warped to the future and obtained a video game system. This is highly improbable. And without getting too biblical, I highly doubt Cain owned a copy of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas when he developed the urge to kill his brother in a jealous rage.
Thompson is a certifiable whackjob. I actually interviewed him once, though unfortunately it was about his spat with Penny Arcade, so I didn’t get to tear his lunatic arguments apart. But I did break down just last night and send an email to MSNBC TV explaining to them why they should never have him on their station again, much less label him an “expert” in anything. Not that they’ll listen, I just thought it would be fun.
Videogames are played all over the world, but this kind of school shootings only take place in the USA. Guns and fear are responsible of this situation, not games.
Before accusing video games as the sole culprit in this sad event, I think that people needs to see that “school rampages” don’t happen in other parts of the world where almost every kid plays CounterStrike (or whatever game) in just about every corner of the city (e.g. Asian countries)! If anything, I think the family support structure in America is first and foremost partly to blame. Most kids are growing up without their fathers and mothers by their side. They lack proper guidance and a role model they can look up to. What you’re seeing is a result of the failure of family to provide enough support for their kid to help him feel……. happy, just as a kid should be. Ofcourse, I could be wrong, maybe there is just a virus afflicting some school aged American children that makes them want to kill their schoolmates, or maybe he’s right and it is just these dang violent videogames? I say…. Ockham’s razor.
Jack is just a media whore and a whackjob. If we stop paying attention to him he will eventually disappear (kinda like the advertisements come to life in that Simpsons Halloween episode). People have been trying to scapegoat entertainment for decades. First it was Rock and Roll, then Heavy Metal and Rap music. They tried claiming playing D&D made you satanic or commit murder/suicide. Now they’re going after video games. Hopefully some day these people will realize that sometimes humans are just evil and do evil things because they either don’t know right from wrong or chose to do wrong anyway.
Video games didn’t kill those innocent people at VT. A disturbed and cowardly individual did.
I played video games all night, but still don’t want to kill anyone. Maybe I’m doing it wrong.
It’s pretty sad that the US now has people bearing the title “School Shooting Expert” (as shown in the video). Is that on their business card? Hopefully at least something positive will result from all of this, as incidents like these should make Americans realize that guns kill. Period. As policymaker you just have to assume that a certain percentage of the population is (very) crazy and wants to kill (regardless of what influences them – video games, movies, friends, whatever), and so it makes sense you don’t want to give them the opportunity to obtain a gun. The only way to do that is to stop selling them. I mean, how stupid or brainwashed must one be not to get that notion? Moore’s movie clearly showed the numbers of gun related murders around the world, and unsurprisingly the US came out on top by a wide margin as a result of these guns, yet people still vote for idiot cowboys like Bush to lead their country, and allow their politicians to be totally corrupted and still get away with it (Gonzales as the latest example) with the entire planet suffering as a result. If only the rest of the world had some vote in your elections, which would be fair because of all the influence this guy has on things that affect us equally, such as global warming, i think the world would be a happier, safer, cleaner place – the US included. (I’m from the Netherlands, by the way – and i have nothing against the US: a lot of great things happen there esp. on the coasts (i mean just look at Veronica!
, but i just wish that some Americans would think just a little bit longer (or, think at all) before voting for someone like Bush, who can be funny at times and even chop some wood, but who doesn’t seem very intelligent, unfortunately.)
“[Violent Video Games] were the one common denomonator.”
Right not the being a social outcast, unchecked or unnoticed depression, or the easy access to guns/weapons. Those weren’t common, it was copies of Doom.
Geez, whatta jerk. And what was with his last comment? Was that thinly veiled “I told you so” to VA Tech? Man, that’s just ugly.
I totally agree with you… I’m tired of people blaming the world problems on video games.
Great rant BTW!
We all know it’s actually rock music that’s to blame.
Well said Veronica.
Blaming video games isn’t anything new. Many times that I read and listen to the news I hear arguments for and against that fact. I even bet the people alive during medieval times or the crusades had similar discussions. (I never really studied those eras, so correct me if I am wrong). There are so many avenues that can be blamed for propagating violence, TV, Games, the news, etc…Most people see it as entertainment value, the few less than 1% might see it as a training opportunity.
Seems that Mr Thompson is negating a human’s environment and mental condition and just pushing his agenda. But that maybe his job. When a human being does not care for their own life, why would they care for others?
Thanks Veronica for writing your statements. I regularly check here for your intriguing writing style.
I’m over ranting myself… but this was a great one, and I back you 100%. The use of a tragedy of this magnitude to further anyone’s political agenda – justified or not (and this was certainly not justified) – is heinous, and only reminds us that humanity is going to hell in a hand-basket faster then you can say ‘Grand Theft Auto is fake!’
It’s not video games… it’s the microwave. That is what is causing it all.
Before it’s invention, the world was a wonderful place. Just watch Leave it to Beaver.
The microwave has fed our need for instant gratification. Hence credit cards and robbery.
And everyone knows that sooner or later robbery leads to murder.
But honestly, It’s everything. It is the expression of ideas. Be it through the news media, TV, movies, books, person to person or video games. It is a persons ability to take an idea and twist it into action. Would we have known that flight was possible if we did not see a bird or insect do it first? Our world has come so far because of our ability to make leaps in thought. If we stop creating, we stop living. Yes, there will be people that take an idea from a movie or from real life and try to make it there own. The question now is what will we take from VT?
It’s your choice… Will you think…
1) I can do better, I can take out at least 50
2) I can help if this happens again… We need an alert system campus wide. Everyone has a cell phone. Let’s create a campus wide text messaging alert system.
3) Let’s redesign schools so that the students aren’t all trapped by a single exit.
Going back to Jack Thompson… He, along with the entire media, is trying to point a single finger at a cause to what is behind VT, but he does not have enough fingers and toes to point to a lifetime of real reasons.
Actually it is Shakespeare and his baudy theatre. Or so the rumor mill of the early 1600’s claimed. Society will always find something to blame their ills upon, especially if it is something that they do not like or understand. In the 60’s it was Rock and Roll, the 70’s it was drugs, the 80’s it was D&D, and the 90’s it was the internet. Now it’s Video games. Ohs noes…
Lame, stupid, lame! This guy is totally out of his mind. I totally agree with the idea that an individual will only commit such horrible thing if he really wants to do it, if he’s somehow predisposed to do it.
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I live on a very dangerous place. Down here people are killed by the dozen. My city by itself have more deaths on long weekends than the whole Canada have yearly. And most times the killers don’t play videogames, don’t know what videogames is or even can’t afford one.
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Should we blame videogames for that?
For me, this guy is really stupid.
I used to play Mario Kart 64 a pant load. Every so often in real life while I’m driving I want to initiate a power turn.
BAN MARIO KART!!!!!!
Couldn’t agree more!
Well said Veronica.
i can’t believe nutholes like this guy get to be labelled as an “expert” in anything in this world. i think kwahhn’s comment sums it all up haha. someone please start a facebook group “bitch slap jack thompson”… facebook groups are the authority on these things, correct?
Every time you blog about Jack, an angel gets kicked in the teeth. He wants the attention.
This is hard for me to admit, but I gotta do it because I still got some healing ahead of me. I’m probably a little older than most of you reading this. I grew up in the 80’s and dropped a lot of quarters into a little game called Donkey Kong. The thing was like heroin, and that’s no crap.
Those of you who live in New York gotta remember the story of that sick kid who busted into the Bronx Zoo and started busting out the knees of all the gorillas with a cricket bat, all the time screaming “Just let me climb!! Aroo! Aroo!”
Yeah, you remember. And yeah — that kid was me.
Hey, I’m better now because of a miracle called Dianetics and a damn good chiropractor. But no man gonna tell me I’da done what I did without just a little help from the hypnosis of that “game.” Shake your heads and snicker, because you probably also read what the Silverback did to me when I swung and missed. But don’t ignore me because you can’t deal with my truth, man.
sock it to him veronica! Maybe you two could duke it out in some kind of boxing match or something, I’d pay to see that
Maybe he learned about video games from Representative Ted Stevens from Alaska. We can all take a lesson from these guys.
Thanks for posting this Veronica. As a Virginia Tech student, and a founder of a new-media publication there, I have seen all there is to see about the killer. There is no justification for his crimes. There is really no way to get inside this guy’s head unless you really examine his manifesto, and that won’t be public for a while.
Thanks for writing a great blog Veronica, I check it out all the time.
imo someone should do a study on Jack Thompson as a direct cause of violent behavior, because until this flaming idiot came along I’ve never had such a strong urge to kick anyone in the teeth. BAN JACK THOMPSON!!1one1one!1!
These kind of things happen. I’m not trying to belittle the tragedy, (my prayers to all the families and friends of the victims) but it’s a complete asshole-fuck thing to do, blame this on something other than the criminal. If anything else was to be addressed, it should have been the response time and methodology of the security. People keep coming up with new things to blame, as if they’re not fully responsible for their actions. Video Games are not traumatic, but enduring years of mindless political babble probably is.
[...] So I saw this video on CNet Editor, Veronica Belmont’s blog, as well as her thoughts about it. I tried to post a comment, but I think it went into her spam folder. Anyway, it might seem inappropriate that Jack Thompson uses this tragedy to highlight his point that violent video games are the root cause of violent behaviour, such as the Virginia Tech massacre, but hasn’t that been the norm in the aviation industry with tombstone technology? [...]
Not that I support Thompson or anything. I still don’t agree with his point of view, and I think it’s really inappropriate for him to use this tragedy to illustrate his cause, but I just thought I’d point out the following:
I don’t know a whole lot about Jack Thompson, but I think you may have have misinterpreted his point of view, in this video at least. From what I can tell, he’s not saying that violent video games will cause normal people to become more inclined towards displaying violent behaviour. His point is that individuals who are ALREADY INCLINED towards violent behaviour in the first place could be desensitized towards violence, by playing violent video games, to the point where they don’t feel any remorse or guilt after killing real human beings in real life.
Once again, I don’t support this perspective. However, I don’t think it’s completely illogical either.
For whatever it’s worth, Thompson has never said he’s out to get ALL videogames ever. I quote,
“Yes, there are plenty of wholesome, educational games out there. And there are good manufacturers out there. Video games are like any other technology – it’s neutral, capable of either good or evil. I don’t want to do away with video games. I just want to protect children from adult games.” – Jack Thompson
(http://www.netjak.com/review.php/1091)
That’s about as far as I’ll defend him, because I do think he’s an utter douche (the next thing he says in the interview is for gamers to get a life) and the way he hopped on TV mere hours after this incident is despicable. I just get tired of people making cracks about stuff like Mario driving them to stomp turtles as if Thompson says all videogames make kids violent.
Um, “Counter-Strike: Half Life” and he dressed up in the “garb of the hero”. Last time I checked, Counter-Strike was called “Half-Life: Counter-Strike” if not just Counter-Strike, and last I checked there was no such hero in that game unless you mean a terrorist or a counter-terrorist?
[...] However, I must also draw your attention to the latest from MyExtraLife, featuring a parody of Jack Thompson. For those of you who don’t know, Thompson is an American activist and attourney, whose main aim in life is to link events like the tragic Virginia Tech massacre to video games. For the best run-down of his latest idiocy, check out Veronica Belmont’s rant here. Also check out MyExtraLife’s latest comic here, and this Wiki post regarding PennyArcade’s own troubles with the man. [...]
I didn’t have time to read all 35 responses, so I’m sorry if this was covered already. But as I read your post, I thought about your reaction to the recent event where the game company allowed guest to sample a slaughtered goat. You seemed shocked and horrified that a company would do something like this in real life. (In reality, lots of people eat goat, some even ritualistically slaughter them before eating them. In this case, I think the goat was purchased from a butcher.)
I’m not commenting on whether or not a video game can make a person more violent. (I personally believe it can, but I don’t have any facts to prove it scientifically.) What I’m more curious about is how someone who is horrified by violence in real life (as most of us are) can choose to be entertained by it in a fantasy world (this includes gaming & movies).
I don’t mean to pick on you, it’s just that I know you play some of the “shoot ‘em up” games. I used to love Punch-Out (pre Mike Tyson) as much as the next kid – you hit a guy, he fell down, but he wasn’t dead. When games changed over so that killing humans was the target, I stopped playing. To me it’s just as horrifying in fantasy as it is in real life.
Just looking for an opinion.
OMG! I can’t believe Andy can type with his head up his ass. I think Andy’s comments might be worse than the video. How does ANY sane person disagree with your statement. (btw Andy, Veronica’s ’stance’ reflects pretty much the entire non-freakshow world view). Also, I’m not sure Andy knows what fatuous means. If you think that people are just hanging around, waiting for a video game to ‘ … nudge people toward doing violent things…’ then you are the one who is sorely mistaken. Ack. I hate when I get like this.
Video games didn’t kill those students, easy access to guns did.
The problem is not so much that he says that video games are the course of these mass murders – but instead that people believe him.
You can’t ever take a person serious that says that Doom is a realistic mass murder simulation. Doom? DOOM!?!?!
I love the game – but it’s from 1995 and with extremely bad graphic and nothing like reality. It’s just plain stupid to say that it can convert normal people to mass murders.
A video game can’t transform normal people to mass murders. They simply can’t.
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