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I noticed today that Thomas Hawk (and later TechCrunch) are writing about a service called TagCow, which apparently can tag large batches of photos at a time. Anyone who takes a lot of pictures can attest to the immense annoyance of tagging tons of photos, especially when you want to be very specific about them. Sure, you can batch tag when you upload, but then you still have to go back and add whatever other tags are needed depending on the individual photo (like batch tagging all my SXSW photos “sxsw” “austin” “conference” and then going back and adding someone’s name, etc). Pain in the butt, right? Some people (like Tantek) bow to the wisdom of crowds and simply add a “needs tags” note to the photos, but it would be nice to have a service or program that could actually recognize the content of the photo and do it for you.
Is TagCow that much-needed service? Thomas seems to think so, although he admits that he’s not quite sure how the technology works. TechCrunch says that it’s got to be people actually viewing each photo and giving it the appropriate tags, although how someone could go through that many photos is beyond me (says the girl who works for a “people-powered search engine“). Arrington says:
The answer is, humans do it. I note that the TagCow site is careful not to say anything about the tagging process, and never use the word “automated” or anything else that would suggests computers are doing the work. Munjal Shah, the founder of Riya/Like, agreed, noting that it recognized a witch in Thomas’ photo - he says this just isn’t something a computer can do today.
But this makes me concerned about privacy. If I’m uploading 200 photos from my vacation, do I really want a bunch of dudes sitting around an office picking apart each one? No, obviously not. Therefore, I probably wouldn’t use the service. However, since TagCow is being a little vague about how everything works, I’m worried that people will walk into a situation where their privacy could be at stake. Does TagCow keep copies of the photos you send them? Do they live on some server there, even though you’re only tagging them for, say, your personal collection (as opposed to being on Flickr or Zooomr)? TC also writes:
And the business is definitely a little sketchy. Worried about the privacy of your data? Just don’t click on their Privacy Policy or Terms of Use: “Privacy policy is TBD.” and “Legal stuff TBD.” Not exactly a way to build confidence.
Yikes. Anyhow, I’m aware that I’m putting on my tinfoil hat a little early, considering we hardly know anything about TagCow. It could be the answer to our tagging prayers, or it could be a huge privacy-sucking black hole. For now I think I’ll continue adding my metadata by hand.
However, their tagline is hilarious.
16 Responses for "TagCow: Who (or what) is tagging my photos?"
early 1st april hoax?
even if those humans tagging the photos are on a demigod level of efficiency, how are they going to know that the photo shot on a random beach with sand shows jeffrey stevenson with his childhood friend caroline york both holding up a yellow colored beverage also know as bud light?
also throws up the question how interesting your vacation photos are that some dudes might be having fun looking at them…
I don’t plan on using the service either.
I get a kick out of how they say “Legal stuff TBD.” … not even “Terms of Use TBD.”
i like the google images tag game…
http://images.google.com/imagelabeler/
Wow. I was wondering what TagCow was about, but didn’t pay much attention to it. Thanks for the Cliffs notes version.
Hmmm. Interesting.
How udderly interesting!
Thinking about the privacy issue. If your photos is already public on Flickr, what does it matter if some guys in an office help tag it? Once something is public on the internet, it’s public.
@Kekoa - My understanding is that they would also tag things for your private collection, like in iPhoto. If that’s not the case, then obviously it wouldn’t be an issue for people with their photos in the public domain, unless they keep most of their Flickr photos private.
You’re quick!
Yeah, if they tag photos in my iPhoto library, then there’s definitely a privacy concern.
I took a gander at their site again, it looks like they’re focused on manual upload and Flickr: http://tagcow.com/how_does_it_work
Whew.
Cloud computing, but with (cheap) humans. Awesome.
Pretty questionable, to be sure.
Sounds like I’ll ’steer’ clear of this one for now.
I’m going to go kill myself.
The privacy thing is a concern if you are turning your private photos over to them.
The service works two ways right now.
Either *you choose* to upload certain photos to their site or you give them access to your Flickrstream via the Flickr API.
Since 100% of my photos in my Flickrstream are already public photos I wasn’t worried about the privacy thing. Anyone can see 100% my Flickr photos anyways.
I will say that they did a very good job tagging my 11,000+ photos on Flickr. Many of the tags were conceptual in nature and I don’t believe AI could figure them out. Tagging a photo of a witch as “wicked” for instance. I don’t believe that a machine is capable of that level of abstraction.
I do believe that at least in part they have humans tagging the photos — but if it’s free to me what difference should it make if they are using AI or human beings. Either way the net result is that my photos on Flickr are better tagged and organized with no cost or work to me. This should also improve traffic to my photos through search both on Flickr as well as on Yahoo by extension.
I’m not sure that the “no cost to me part” is a sustainable business model, nor am I sure that this can scale. Someone somewhere has to pay the humans to do this work right? I’m not sure how advertising could generate enough income to pay for the work and I’m not sure many people would really be up for paying for a service like this. But at least for the time being it was nice to have someone do all this work on my public Flickr photos.
sounds quite dubious.
For tagging and organizing loads of photos at once try Photonic. Beautiful little app. I’ve been using it for a month now and love it. i wrote a wee bit on it here.
From the Mild Irony department, I notice the error in human tagging from your Flick photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlysound/2374487968/
Tagcow is still not address the point in time where tagging needs to occur, let me explain.
As a big RDF/machine tag nerd I will not go into some long tirade about marking up all data, not just photos. But I will say we, as regular end users, are not being supplied the proper tools at the correct point in time. Being confronted with “Please tag this photo” while uploading is way too late, I believe the answer is applying context earlier ( thing EyeFi card ) and in small increments all culminating in a summary of tags that can be reviewed at the end of the process ( uploading to Flickr ). Machines could also cross reference activity streams ( FreindFeed, Facebook, etc. ) to create tags for people, places and things.
…but alas my nerdy dream of a semantic, properly marked up world only exists on Tantek’s wiki pages and nowhere else. Sigh.
Very cool, hopefully they add Picasa Web support soon
You seem to be missing the obvious answer here: The tagging is clearly down by COWS!
It would explain why “cud”, “grass”, and “udder” are the most common keywords.
Er, “done by cows” not “down”
[…] What makes TagCow a bit more unique is the method of tagging, it is automated. Other services such as Picasa or Flickr rely on your efforts to tag photos, while Google is using a pseudo-game to help improve its tagging search results. This is what sets TagCow apart. […]
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