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	<title>Comments on: TagCow: Who (or what) is tagging my photos?</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Techlife &#187; TagCow - Photo tagging made easy</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-64223</link>
		<dc:creator>Techlife &#187; TagCow - Photo tagging made easy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What makes TagCow a bit more unique is the method of tagging, it is automated. Other services such as Picasa or Flickr rely on your efforts to tag photos, while Google is using a pseudo-game to help improve its tagging search results. This is what sets TagCow apart. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What makes TagCow a bit more unique is the method of tagging, it is automated. Other services such as Picasa or Flickr rely on your efforts to tag photos, while Google is using a pseudo-game to help improve its tagging search results. This is what sets TagCow apart. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kato</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57424</link>
		<dc:creator>Kato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, "done by cows" not "down"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, &#8220;done by cows&#8221; not &#8220;down&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kato</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57355</link>
		<dc:creator>Kato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be missing the obvious answer here:  The tagging is clearly down by COWS!

It would explain why "cud", "grass", and "udder" are the most common keywords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be missing the obvious answer here:  The tagging is clearly down by COWS!</p>
<p>It would explain why &#8220;cud&#8221;, &#8220;grass&#8221;, and &#8220;udder&#8221; are the most common keywords.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Broder</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57320</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Broder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool, hopefully they add Picasa Web support soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool, hopefully they add Picasa Web support soon</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57317</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Mild Irony department, I notice the error in human tagging from your Flick photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlysound/2374487968/

Tagcow is still not address the point in time where tagging needs to occur, let me explain.

As a big RDF/machine tag nerd I will not go into some long tirade about marking up all data, not just photos. But I will say we, as regular end users, are not being supplied the proper tools at the correct point in time. Being confronted with "Please tag this photo" while uploading is way too late, I believe the answer is applying context earlier ( thing EyeFi card ) and in small increments all culminating in a summary of tags that can be reviewed at the end of the process ( uploading to Flickr ). Machines could also cross reference activity streams (  FreindFeed, Facebook, etc. ) to create tags for people, places and things.

...but alas my nerdy dream of a semantic, properly marked up world only exists on Tantek's wiki pages and nowhere else. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Mild Irony department, I notice the error in human tagging from your Flick photos:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlysound/2374487968/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlysound/2374487968/</a></p>
<p>Tagcow is still not address the point in time where tagging needs to occur, let me explain.</p>
<p>As a big RDF/machine tag nerd I will not go into some long tirade about marking up all data, not just photos. But I will say we, as regular end users, are not being supplied the proper tools at the correct point in time. Being confronted with &#8220;Please tag this photo&#8221; while uploading is way too late, I believe the answer is applying context earlier ( thing EyeFi card ) and in small increments all culminating in a summary of tags that can be reviewed at the end of the process ( uploading to Flickr ). Machines could also cross reference activity streams (  FreindFeed, Facebook, etc. ) to create tags for people, places and things.</p>
<p>&#8230;but alas my nerdy dream of a semantic, properly marked up world only exists on Tantek&#8217;s wiki pages and nowhere else. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Mostly Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57223</link>
		<dc:creator>Mostly Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds quite dubious. 

For tagging and organizing loads of photos at once try &lt;a href="http://www.photonicapp.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Photonic.&lt;/a&gt; Beautiful little app. I've been using it for a month now and love it. i wrote a wee bit on it &lt;a href="http://www.mostlylisa.com/2008/03/05/upload-and-organize-flickr-photos-fast-with-photonic/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds quite dubious. </p>
<p>For tagging and organizing loads of photos at once try <a href="http://www.photonicapp.com/" rel="nofollow">Photonic.</a> Beautiful little app. I&#8217;ve been using it for a month now and love it. i wrote a wee bit on it <a href="http://www.mostlylisa.com/2008/03/05/upload-and-organize-flickr-photos-fast-with-photonic/" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57163</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The privacy thing is a concern if you are turning your private photos over to them.

The service works two ways right now.  

Either *you choose* to upload certain photos to their site or you give them access to your Flickrstream via the Flickr API.

Since 100% of my photos in my Flickrstream are already public photos I wasn't worried about the privacy thing.  Anyone can see 100% my Flickr photos anyways.

I will say that they did a very good job tagging my 11,000+ photos on Flickr.  Many of the tags were conceptual in nature and I don't believe AI could figure them out.  Tagging a photo of a witch as "wicked" for instance.   I don't believe that a machine is capable of that level of abstraction.

I do believe that at least in part they have humans tagging the photos -- but if it's free to me what difference should it make if they are using AI or human beings.  Either way the net result is that my photos on Flickr are better tagged and organized with no cost or work to me.  This should also improve traffic to my photos through search both on Flickr as well as on Yahoo by extension.

I'm not sure that the "no cost to me part" is a sustainable business model, nor am I sure that this can scale.  Someone somewhere has to pay the humans to do this work right?   I'm not sure how advertising could generate enough income to pay for the work and I'm not sure many people would really be up for paying for a service like this.  But at least for the time being it was nice to have someone do all this work on my public Flickr photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The privacy thing is a concern if you are turning your private photos over to them.</p>
<p>The service works two ways right now.  </p>
<p>Either *you choose* to upload certain photos to their site or you give them access to your Flickrstream via the Flickr API.</p>
<p>Since 100% of my photos in my Flickrstream are already public photos I wasn&#8217;t worried about the privacy thing.  Anyone can see 100% my Flickr photos anyways.</p>
<p>I will say that they did a very good job tagging my 11,000+ photos on Flickr.  Many of the tags were conceptual in nature and I don&#8217;t believe AI could figure them out.  Tagging a photo of a witch as &#8220;wicked&#8221; for instance.   I don&#8217;t believe that a machine is capable of that level of abstraction.</p>
<p>I do believe that at least in part they have humans tagging the photos &#8212; but if it&#8217;s free to me what difference should it make if they are using AI or human beings.  Either way the net result is that my photos on Flickr are better tagged and organized with no cost or work to me.  This should also improve traffic to my photos through search both on Flickr as well as on Yahoo by extension.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the &#8220;no cost to me part&#8221; is a sustainable business model, nor am I sure that this can scale.  Someone somewhere has to pay the humans to do this work right?   I&#8217;m not sure how advertising could generate enough income to pay for the work and I&#8217;m not sure many people would really be up for paying for a service like this.  But at least for the time being it was nice to have someone do all this work on my public Flickr photos.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bradford</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57145</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty questionable, to be sure.  

Sounds like I'll 'steer' clear of this one for now.  

I'm going to go kill myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty questionable, to be sure.  </p>
<p>Sounds like I&#8217;ll &#8217;steer&#8217; clear of this one for now.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to go kill myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Q dub</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57046</link>
		<dc:creator>Q dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloud computing, but with (cheap) humans.  Awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloud computing, but with (cheap) humans.  Awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Kekoa</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57044</link>
		<dc:creator>Kekoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're quick!

Yeah, if they tag photos in my iPhoto library, then there's definitely a privacy concern.

I took a gander at their site again, it looks like they're focused on manual upload and Flickr: http://tagcow.com/how_does_it_work

Whew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re quick!</p>
<p>Yeah, if they tag photos in my iPhoto library, then there&#8217;s definitely a privacy concern.</p>
<p>I took a gander at their site again, it looks like they&#8217;re focused on manual upload and Flickr: <a href="http://tagcow.com/how_does_it_work" rel="nofollow">http://tagcow.com/how_does_it_work</a></p>
<p>Whew.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57043</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kekoa - My understanding is that they would also tag things for your private collection, like in iPhoto. If that's not the case, then obviously it wouldn't be an issue for people with their photos in the public domain, unless they keep most of their Flickr photos private.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kekoa - My understanding is that they would also tag things for your private collection, like in iPhoto. If that&#8217;s not the case, then obviously it wouldn&#8217;t be an issue for people with their photos in the public domain, unless they keep most of their Flickr photos private.</p>
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		<title>By: Kekoa</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57042</link>
		<dc:creator>Kekoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How udderly interesting!

Thinking about the privacy issue. If your photos is already public on Flickr, what does it matter if some guys in an office help tag it? Once something is public on the internet, it's public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How udderly interesting!</p>
<p>Thinking about the privacy issue. If your photos is already public on Flickr, what does it matter if some guys in an office help tag it? Once something is public on the internet, it&#8217;s public.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57031</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I was wondering what TagCow was about, but didn't pay much attention to it.   Thanks for the Cliffs notes version.

Hmmm.  Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I was wondering what TagCow was about, but didn&#8217;t pay much attention to it.   Thanks for the Cliffs notes version.</p>
<p>Hmmm.  Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanlerch</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57026</link>
		<dc:creator>ryanlerch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the google images tag game...
http://images.google.com/imagelabeler/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the google images tag game&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://images.google.com/imagelabeler/" rel="nofollow">http://images.google.com/imagelabeler/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Thomson</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57020</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't plan on using the service either.

I get a kick out of how they say "Legal &lt;em&gt;stuff&lt;/em&gt; TBD." ... not even "Terms of Use TBD." :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t plan on using the service either.</p>
<p>I get a kick out of how they say &#8220;Legal <em>stuff</em> TBD.&#8221; &#8230; not even &#8220;Terms of Use TBD.&#8221; <img src='http://www.veronicabelmont.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: googleman81</title>
		<link>http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2008/03/tagcow-who-or-what-is-tagging-my-photos/#comment-57018</link>
		<dc:creator>googleman81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>early 1st april hoax? 
even if those humans tagging the photos are on a demigod level of efficiency, how are they going to know that the photo shot on a random beach with sand shows jeffrey stevenson with his childhood friend caroline york both holding up a yellow colored beverage also know as bud light?
also throws up the question how interesting your vacation photos are that some dudes might be having fun looking at them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>early 1st april hoax?<br />
even if those humans tagging the photos are on a demigod level of efficiency, how are they going to know that the photo shot on a random beach with sand shows jeffrey stevenson with his childhood friend caroline york both holding up a yellow colored beverage also know as bud light?<br />
also throws up the question how interesting your vacation photos are that some dudes might be having fun looking at them&#8230;</p>
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